Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ 9.15 Type:Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄDate:December 1Year:1966Place:New York 0:00 / 0:00 PrabhupÄda: jƱÄna-yajƱena cÄpy anye yajanto mÄm upÄsate ekatvena pį¹thaktvena bahudhÄ viÅvato-mukham [Bg. 9.15] Now Lord Kį¹į¹£į¹a, after describing about the mahÄtmÄs, or the great souls, who worship the Supreme Lord by this process of kÄ«rtana⦠Satataį¹ kÄ«rtayanto mÄm [Bg. 9.14]. Åravaį¹aį¹ kÄ«rtanam [SB 7.5.23]. The process of devotion is nine different types. Åravaį¹am. Åravaį¹am means hearing. KÄ«rtanam. KÄ«rtanam means chanting. KÄ«rtanam actually means describing. You can describe with music. You can describe with words. You can describe in speeches. Any sort of describing, that is called kÄ«rtana. And Åravaį¹am. Unless you hear, you cannot describe. What you shall describe? If you do not know anything about the Supreme Lord, then how can you describe? Therefore hearing is the first item, Åravaį¹am. And the whole Vedic literature is called hearing, Åruti, Åruti-ÅÄstra. Åruti means to receive hearing. If you want to know the Supreme, you do not require to qualify yourself materially. You can remain what you are, but if you simply hear⦠God has given you the power of hearing. If you hear from authoritative sources, then you become perfect, simply by hearing. Therefore the first principle, hearing, is recommended, Åravaį¹am. And formerly, the Vedas were heard by the students from the spiritual master. Just like in the Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ youāll find that Arjuna is hearing from Kį¹į¹£į¹a. Heās not studying any VedÄnta philosophy in the battlefield. He was simply hearing. So that is the process, hearing. You can hear at any place. Even in the warfield, you can hear from the authoritative source. So that was the process of acquiring knowledge, hearing. Hearing means receiving the knowledge, not manufacturing. There are two process of knowledge. There are some persons who think, āOh, why shall I hear from him? Oh, I can think. I can speculate. I can manufacture something new of my own group.ā These are nonsense. This is not Vedic process. Vedic process is hearing, ascending process, er, notā¦, descending process. There are two processes of knowledge: ascending and descending. Ascending means trying to go high by your strength, and descending means the pure knowledge which comes from up, you receive it. Inductive and deductive process. So ascending process is not recommended in the Vedic process of knowledge. Vedic way of receiving knowledgeāby aural reception, by submissive aural reception from the spiritual master to the student. This is the way. It is coming. As we have read in the Fourth Chapter of Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ, evaį¹ paramparÄ-prÄptam imaį¹ rÄjarį¹£ayo viduįø„ [Bg. 4.2]: āIn this way, traditionally, from the spiritual master to the student, this knowledge was imparted.ā The Lord said that āI imparted this knowledge first of all to the sun-god, and the sun-god imparted this knowledge to his son, Manu, and Manu imparted this knowledge to his son, Ikį¹£vÄku.ā Ikį¹£vÄku was the king of this planet. So from Ikį¹£vÄku, this knowledge is coming down from the master, or from the father to the son, or from the master to the disciple. It is coming on. And because that disciplic succession was broken, therefore Lord Kį¹į¹£į¹a said that āI am speaking again that old system of knowledge to you, Arjuna, because you are My devotee, you are My dear friend.ā We have already studied this fact. So this is the way. Therefore Åravaį¹am. Åravaį¹am is the⦠Åravaį¹am means hearing. Hearing is the first stage. And hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative source, you can become completely perfect, simply by hearing. Submissive hearing, of course. Submissive. JƱÄne prayÄsam udapÄsya namanta eva. This is a verse from BhÄgavata, ÅrÄ«mad-BhÄgavatam. JƱÄne prayÄsam udapÄsya namanta eva. Donāt be upstart. Donāt try to understand the supreme knowledge, the Absolute Truth, by your strength. You are very poor. Your senses are imperfect. You cannot understand. This, this process, you should give up. JƱÄne prayÄsam. Attempt to know the Supreme by ascending process. āOh, I shall know. Iāll manufacture my own way.ā This is the way going on nowadays. Everyone is thinking that āWhy shall I accept any authority? I shall think myself what I am and what is my duty.ā This is going on. But this is not the Vedic process. The Vedic process is to Åravaį¹am. So simply if we give up this foolish process of understanding the Absolute Truth by my own attempt, we, if we give up and we become submissive⦠Yes. Submissive means we must know our imperfectness. Our imperfectness I have several times described in this meeting. So long we are conditioned, there are four kinds of imperfectness, that we must commit mistake. So long we are conditioned, nobody can say that āIāll not commit mistake. I never commit any mistakes.ā It is not possible. You must have. To err is human. So this is one imperfectness. And to become illusioned. To accept one thing which is not. Illusion means to accept something for something. Just like we accept this body. We identify with this body, every one of us. If we ask you what you are, āOh, I am American.ā What is your American? This body is American. But it is not⦠You are not this body. So this is illusion. So conditioned soul is to commit mistake, to be illusioned, and the senses are imperfect. We are very much proud of seeing, but as soon as the light is put off, we cannot see. So our seeing is conditional. And similarly, all senses are conditional. So therefore imperfect. And there is another thing which is very nice. We have got a cheating propensity. I do not know anything, but I want to cheat others that I know everything. I donāt⦠I am a fool number one, but I want to start a group of students and teach him foolish things. This is cheating. One must know from the authoritative sources and preach that thing. Just like Arjuna was taught by Kį¹į¹£į¹a, and that philosophy is going on. And those who are accepting the principle of Arjuna, theyāre real student of Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ. So therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear. Åravaį¹am. That is the Vedic process. The student used to go to the master and gurukula. It was known as gurukula. Every brÄhmaį¹a, every self-realized soul, every vipra, or expert in the knowledge of Vedic literature, he would be provided with some brahmacÄrÄ«s, group of brahmacÄrÄ«s. They will follow the rules and regulation of brahmacÄrÄ« life and live with the spiritual master, and the spiritual master will teach them, from Vedic literature, real knowledge. That is the process. This is called Åravaį¹am. So one should not adopt the means of ascending process. JƱÄne prayÄsam udapÄsya. UdapÄsya means āGive it up.ā And namanta eva: āAnd be submissive.ā Namanta eva jÄ«vanti san-mukharitÄį¹ bhavadÄ«ya-vÄrtÄm. In this way, if one lives and hears, san-mukharitÄm, from the realized soul⦠Just like Arjuna is hearing from Kį¹į¹£į¹a, from the perfect person, san-mukharitÄm. Kį¹į¹£į¹a or His representative. His representative is a devotee of Kį¹į¹£į¹a. Kį¹į¹£į¹a is just like⦠Arjuna. Arjuna was made representative of Kį¹į¹£į¹a. How? Because Arjuna, Kį¹į¹£į¹a said, bhakto āsi: āYou are My devotee.ā So nobody can become representative of Kį¹į¹£į¹a, or God, without becoming His devotee. One who thinks that āI am God,ā he cannot become the representative of God. Suppose some of your representatives⦠You are a businessman. Just see our imperfectness. [after spitting, coughing:] This body⦠We have got imperfectness, coughing something. So how we can become perfect? We are under the stringent rules and regulations of the nature. A little difference will put me into difficulty. So we are not all independent so long we are conditioned. So if⦠Suppose you are a businessman. You send your representative for securing business. And if he represents himself to the customer, āI am the proprietor. I am the proprietor,ā how long he can prolong? As soon as the master will know that āThis foolish man is representing himself as the proprietor of this firm,ā at once cancel. Because there is cheating. Heās not proprietor. Similarly, anyone who says that āI am Godā he should not preach. He can think himself for acquiring knowledge of God. That is another thing. āI am God.ā āI am Godā means to understand the quality of God, because I am qualitatively God. Because I am part and parcel of God, therefore my qualities are the same. Just like I have several times repeated that a part of gold, even a molecular part, a particle of gold, so it is gold. It is nothing but gold. Similarly, although we are very minute fragments of the Supreme, still, the quality is the same. So if I study myself, then I can study God also because I can, I can understand the quality of God. I may not understand the quantity. Suppose if you receive some good grains of rice. You do not concern, think of what is the quantity in the stock, but the, from the sample, you can understand that āThis quality rice is there. I can purchase.ā Then you make your transaction, āHow many pounds you have got in your stock? I can take.ā So quantity is different. But quality, from quality, you can select. You can make your selection, what sort of rice you shall purchase. So you are qualitatively one with God. Therefore, if you study yourself that āI am God,ā and if you study your all propensities, all qualities, then you can understand God. So that is a process. But you cannot preach that āI am God.ā Because if you preach yourself as God, then people may ask you, āIf you God, if you are God, then show me your all-powerfulness.ā That you cannot show. So you cannot preach that āI am God.ā So far Kį¹į¹£į¹a is concerned, He proved that He is God. How? In this Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ. Now we are reading Ninth Chapter. In the Eleventh Chapter Arjuna requested, āO Kį¹į¹£į¹a, that will You kindly show me Your universal form?ā So Kį¹į¹£į¹a showed him, āYes.ā So that⦠This was Arjunaās teaching to world that in future so many fools will represent himself as God. So donāt be befooled by them. Just ask him, āShow me your universal form.ā Then accept him as God. Donāt very cheaply accept any fool as God. So this is the highest imperfection, that he is in the stringent laws of the material nature. If there is simply a toothache, he becomes overwhelmed, and he himself preaches as God. So this sort of thing can be accepted by similar foolish-natured people. God is supreme. Nobody can God. Nobody can be equal with God. God is called in the Vedic literature, asamordhva. Asama means nobodyās equal to Him. And nobody is higher than Him. ÅŖrdhva means higher. Nobody can be higher than God, and nobody can be equal to God. Everyone is lower than God, however great he may be. And there is a nice verse, Åiva-viriƱci-nutam [SB 11.5.33]. Åiva-viriƱci. Åiva means the Lord Åiva, and viriƱci means Lord BrahmÄ. They are considered to be the topmost demigods in this material world. So they also offer their respectful obeisances to Viį¹£į¹u, or God. So nobody can be equal to God. Therefore we should be, instead of becoming God or instead of understanding God personally by our teeny knowledge and imperfect senses, better to become submissive. Give up this habit. JƱÄne prayÄsam udapÄsya. Just give up this habit, foolish habit, that āI can know God.ā Just become submissive and try to hear from authorities. San-mukharitÄm. Who is authority? Authority is Kį¹į¹£į¹a and, or God, or His representative. Just like Lord Jesus Christ, heās representative of God. So heās authority. Similarly, any authorized incarnation. But that incarnation will never say that āI am God.ā āI am servant of Godāāthat is his representation. Heāll never say, āI am God.ā That makes confirmation that heās representative of God. So he is authority, who does not say that āI am God,ā but he says, āI am servant of God. I am son of God. I am devotee of God.ā He is representative, real representative. So we have to hear from him. JƱÄne prayÄsam udapÄsya namanta eva. I am just trying to explain to you the process of hearing. The process of hearing. So submissively, submissively we shall try to hear from the authorized source, representative of God. San-mukharitÄį¹ bhavadÄ«ya-vÄrtÄį¹ jÄ«vanti, lives, sthÄne sthitÄįø„. SthÄne sthitÄįø„ means keeping himself in his position. SthÄne sthitÄįø„. Just like you are hearing Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ. Some of you are medical man. Some of you are engineer. Some of you businessman. Some of you clerk. That doesnāt matter. You keep yourself in your position. You remain as American. You remain as Christian. It doesnāt matter. But there is no harm in hearing Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ. There is no harm. Youāll get knowledge. Youāll get knowledge. Youāll become better Christian. Youāll become better American. You see? It is not the purpose, that we are trying to convert American into Indian, or Indian into American, or Christian into Hindu. That is not our mission. We are just preaching the science of Kį¹į¹£į¹a, or science of God, Kį¹į¹£į¹a consciousness. So everyone can learn this science. Just like when you go to college there is no question of whether a man is American or Indian or African. Everyone is allowed in the schools, college and universities to take science, knowledge. So this is Kį¹į¹£į¹a consciousness, science of God. Everyone can take. SthÄne sthitÄįø„. You just keep yourself in your place. There is no need of change. SthÄne sthitÄįø„ Åruti-gatÄm. Again Åruti. Åruti means these ears, by hearing. Åruti-gatÄį¹ tanu-vÄį¹ -manobhiįø„: āJust try to assimilate with your body, with your mind, with your intelligence.ā Åruti-gatÄį¹ tanu-vÄį¹ -manobhiįø„. If you do this, then the result will be: prÄyaÅo ājita jito āpy asi tais tri-lokyÄm. Godās another name is Ajita. Ajita means nobody can conquer Him. Because everyone is lower than God, who will conquer Him? Therefore His name is Ajita. Ajita means unconquerable. What to speak of God, you cannot conquer even the energy of God. You are under the material energy of God. At your present conditioned life, you are under the energy of God, this material energy. You cannot conquer even the energy, so how you can conquer God? Not possible. So therefore another name of God is Ajita. Just like Kį¹į¹£į¹a is another name of God. Of course, according to Vedic literature, Kį¹į¹£į¹a is the principal name. God has many names. According to His work, according to different personsā understanding, He has got innumerable, numberless names. But the, in the Vedic literature it is said that Kį¹į¹£į¹a is the principal name. Because Kį¹į¹£į¹a means the highest pleasure. So another name of God is Ajita. Ajita means one who is unconquerable. So that unconquerable becomes conquered. How? By this process. What is that process? Just submissively hear and try to assimilate it nicely. Thatās all. So God is neither Christian or Hindu or Muslim or anything. God is God. If you hear Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ submissively, with your arguments and⦠The first thing is you must be submissive. You should not think yourself that you are a⦠Do not be puffed up with false knowledge. Everyone, we should think that we are ignorant. We should have to receive knowledge. That should be the first step by me[?]. And receive knowledge, and try to assimilate it, and try to apply it, apply it with your body, with your mind, with your intelligence. Then the, youāll understand God so nicely that although God is unconquerable, youāll conquer Him. Youāll conquer Him, by this simple process. So therefore Åravaį¹am, hearing, is so important. So in the devotional service the first step is hearing, hearing submissively from the authoritative source and just to assimilate it and grasp it with our body, mind and intelligence. In this way you shall be able to conquer the unconquerable. And when you are able to do such, then you can make kÄ«rtana, kÄ«rtana. That is, that is the⦠But another process is⦠Not another process, same process. Whatever you learn, if you describe it, then that will help you to elevate yourself in this path of knowledge. Suppose whatever you are hearing this night in this platform, if you try to repeat it amongst your friends, amongst your family members, then youāll be established in this knowledge. That is called kÄ«rtana. Åravaį¹aį¹ kÄ«rtanam. And what about, hearing? Hearing, we are⦠Every, every day and night we are hearing something. There is television. There is radio. There is newspaper. There is so many things, hearing. Not that hearing. Åravaį¹aį¹ kÄ«rtanaį¹ viį¹£į¹oįø„ [SB 7.5.23]. Viį¹£į¹u means the Supreme Lord. You should devote your time in hearing and chanting about Viį¹£į¹u, Kį¹į¹£į¹a. Kį¹į¹£į¹a-kÄ«rtanam. KÄ«rtanÄd eva kį¹į¹£į¹asya mukta-saį¹ gaįø„ paraį¹ vrajet [SB 12.3.51]. If you simply do this, Åravaį¹am and kÄ«rtanam, then you shall become free from this material attachment, and you shall be elevated to the supreme place, the kingdom of God. Mukta-saį¹ ga⦠This is the remedy suggested in this age. You cannot practice anything. You cannot practice sacrifice. You cannot practice speculation. You cannot practice yoga, nothing. You can simply practice this: submissively hear from authoritative sources, try to assimilate it, and become perfect. Thank you very much. [end]